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"...There is nothing 'right' about punishing a million and a half already-suffering Gazans for the actions of the extremists among them."
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"A majority of Gaza residents believe in the (Hamas) path."
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If Mr Segev is right, and the results of the 2005 Palestinian election support his contention, the Hamas movement is the true voice of the people of Gaza. Therefore those who are shooting rockets into Israel at the behest of Hamas are not extremists among Palestinians, but in fact are implementing the will of the people. I wish that Segev could take a walk down J Street and point this out to his fellow Jews.
No one doubts that Israel will prevail over Hamas in the battle for Gaza, probably within the next two weeks. What is not clear is what Israeli forces will leave behind after the battle.
President George W Bush, an acolyte of Democratic President Woodrow Wilson, has successfully advocated self-determination and democracy for the Arabs, both Iraqi and Palestinian. The trouble is that in 2005 the vast majority of Gazans (plus substantial numbers in the West Bank) freely chose the party, Hamas, that openly demands war with Israel. Given another chance to vote, I am confident that the Gazans would pick Hamas again. On this, I accept Tom Segev's view over that of J Street.
I suspect that many Israeli leaders are hoping to re-establish Fatah control over Gaza after this war, and that key PA leaders are also seeking the same outcome. The trouble is that Fatah can no more control Gaza in 2009 than in could in 2007, especially if it took an Israeli invasion (abetted by massive bombing) to bring Fatah back to power there.
What is left is a painful choice between endless military occupation (and endless intifada violence against Israeli soldiers) and a resumption of Hamas rule accompanied by rocket-fire against all of southern Israel. Even the imposition of European, Arab or other foreign forces in Gaza is not a viable alternative, since Hamas will fight them too, and will probably wear down the patience of any country that might send them. Since Hamas is a danger only to Israel, only Israel will have the persistence to stay.
Israel will be under enormous pressure from the UN and major world powers to withdraw from Gaza, but I hope that the Jewish state can withstand this pressure. Hamas must not only be disarmed now, but must stay disarmed if Israel is to live in peace.
If any readers have a better alternative than indefinite occupation, please present it as a note to this posting.
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J Street Statement
"A majority of Gaza residents believe in the (Hamas) path."
Tom Segev, Ha'aretz , Jan. 5, 2009
If Mr Segev is right, and the results of the 2005 Palestinian election support his contention, the Hamas movement is the true voice of the people of Gaza. Therefore those who are shooting rockets into Israel at the behest of Hamas are not extremists among Palestinians, but in fact are implementing the will of the people. I wish that Segev could take a walk down J Street and point this out to his fellow Jews.
No one doubts that Israel will prevail over Hamas in the battle for Gaza, probably within the next two weeks. What is not clear is what Israeli forces will leave behind after the battle.
President George W Bush, an acolyte of Democratic President Woodrow Wilson, has successfully advocated self-determination and democracy for the Arabs, both Iraqi and Palestinian. The trouble is that in 2005 the vast majority of Gazans (plus substantial numbers in the West Bank) freely chose the party, Hamas, that openly demands war with Israel. Given another chance to vote, I am confident that the Gazans would pick Hamas again. On this, I accept Tom Segev's view over that of J Street.
I suspect that many Israeli leaders are hoping to re-establish Fatah control over Gaza after this war, and that key PA leaders are also seeking the same outcome. The trouble is that Fatah can no more control Gaza in 2009 than in could in 2007, especially if it took an Israeli invasion (abetted by massive bombing) to bring Fatah back to power there.
What is left is a painful choice between endless military occupation (and endless intifada violence against Israeli soldiers) and a resumption of Hamas rule accompanied by rocket-fire against all of southern Israel. Even the imposition of European, Arab or other foreign forces in Gaza is not a viable alternative, since Hamas will fight them too, and will probably wear down the patience of any country that might send them. Since Hamas is a danger only to Israel, only Israel will have the persistence to stay.
Israel will be under enormous pressure from the UN and major world powers to withdraw from Gaza, but I hope that the Jewish state can withstand this pressure. Hamas must not only be disarmed now, but must stay disarmed if Israel is to live in peace.
If any readers have a better alternative than indefinite occupation, please present it as a note to this posting.
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posted by Gerald S Glazer at 11:03 AM
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All this just proves is that Rabbi Mayer Kahane was absolutely correct.
Rabbi Kahane was our last true prophet in the mold of all of our great prophets and again Jews did not listen.
Let's also be clear that Rabbi Kahane never advocated killing anyone, but history has shown for thousands of years that sometimes populations must be separated for there to be peace.
The India/ Pakistan situation is a great example and it happened at the same time as the establishement of Israel. Millions of Hindus and Muslims became refugees and they moved and the other country welcomed them and settled them. In the Israel/Arab situation there were about 750,000 refugees on each side. All of the Jews were succesfully resettled, but very few of the Arabs were resettled. The surrounding Arab countries refused to allow them in and made them stay is squalid refugee camps that exist until today.
Therefore, today's problem was caused by the surrounding Arab states and it is their responsibility to take care of the problem, and that means they must take and resettle all of their Arab brothers. This is the ONLY TRUE permanent solution.
Rabbi Mayer Kanahe was absolutely correct.
Gerry, I absolutely agree with you that, at least in the short to medium term, Israel must totally occupy Gaza and assert security control as it has in Judea and Samaria. I also agree with Ivan that the Gazan (and perhaps) Arabs must be absorbed by Arab states; and I am nearing the conclusion that may have to be expelled forcibly if necessary, given the rank hate that so many have for Israel.
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